I don't think that ever was a time when Earth's one side was always dark and the opposite always bright.
However, this was very interesting :) I just don't think that the book of genesis has anything more to tell than whatever people in those times possibly could figure out, and this probably has nothing to do with Earth's spinning, climate, ozone, and such things. This is just a "nomad legend" :)
However, this was very interesting :) I just don't think that the book of genesis has anything more to tell than whatever people in those times possibly could figure out, and this probably has nothing to do with Earth's spinning, climate, ozone, and such things. This is just a "nomad legend" :)
And what of the atheists, huh? Life is possibly by no means Biblical or Torah-ish or anything else... and the question is why we exist... to apply what we learned as a child to adult life? Like knowing that unicorns aren't real will help us in contemporary society.
I don't think that ever was a time when Earth's one side was always dark and the opposite always bright.
However, this was very interesting :) I just don't think that the book of genesis has anything more to tell than whatever people in those times possibly could figure out, and this probably has nothing to do with Earth's spinning, climate, ozone, and such things. This is just a "nomad legend" :)
However, this was very interesting :) I just don't think that the book of genesis has anything more to tell than whatever people in those times possibly could figure out, and this probably has nothing to do with Earth's spinning, climate, ozone, and such things. This is just a "nomad legend" :)
Nomad Legend! please explain this one!! I am interesting to hear your taking on that!!!
Nomad Legend! please explain this one!! I am interesting to hear your taking on that!!!
I ment that in those times when the book of Genesis was written, people didn't know about ozone and such things. People didn't even know that air doesn't fill the whole universe. So thinking that the book of Genesis suggests something much more complex and very advanced concept is a mistake. As I see, it simply talks about those things which people in those times understood and knew about, and it basically explains why we have to suffer. This is why I called it a nomad legend. It's just a legend.
As I recall, Buddhist tells this (the reason of suffering) way better and more impending to reality.
Humanity will become adult when it stops believing such things and paying more attention to it than to any other fairy-tales.
WE didn't write the Bible. Those who created us did. That is what is so hard to understand. Once the world could support us, other changes had to be made so that we would have the best chance of surviving, hence the flora and fauna, animals of specific species in specific areas of the world. Each balanced on their own so as not to need tending. Then the task of creating us. Cro-magnon, homo-erectus and any other classification of pre-homo-sapian were failures. Not intellegent enough to carry the soul. We haven't evolved since the first Humans were created. We have just learned some of the truths that have always been. Take a baby from the most under-developed tribe on any continent. Raise him/her in a loving, nurturing advanced society. That person will be able to learn all that we know and can do all that you or I can do because the ability was always there. God does not have a plan for us. GOD IS the plan for our creation, developement and eventual disembarking (rapture) from this planet. Global Organization and Developement.
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I ment that in those times when the book of Genesis was written, people didn't know about ozone and such things. People didn't even know that air doesn't fill the whole universe. So thinking that the book of Genesis suggests something much more complex and very advanced concept is a mistake. As I see, it simply talks about those things which people in those times understood and knew about, and it basically explains why we have to suffer. This is why I called it a nomad legend. It's just a legend.
As I recall, Buddhist tells this (the reason of suffering) way better and more impending to reality.
Humanity will become adult when it stops believing such things and paying more attention to it than to any other fairy-tales.
As I recall, Buddhist tells this (the reason of suffering) way better and more impending to reality.
Humanity will become adult when it stops believing such things and paying more attention to it than to any other fairy-tales.
So what you say is:
In those days, people simply did not have the knowledge and comprehension/ insight to understand what was happening. They simply wrote what they saw, with not deeper meaning. Which make sense. Yet I will not necessarily call it nomad legend. To claim that we need to proof it.
So what you say is:
In those days, people simply did not have the knowledge and comprehension/ insight to understand what was happening. They simply wrote what they saw, with not deeper meaning. Which make sense. Yet I will not necessarily call it nomad legend. To claim that we need to proof it.
In those days, people simply did not have the knowledge and comprehension/ insight to understand what was happening. They simply wrote what they saw, with not deeper meaning. Which make sense. Yet I will not necessarily call it nomad legend. To claim that we need to proof it.
What I said was that they probably tried to give a deeper meaning to their own experiences (elseway they wouldn't have asked questions to which the Bible seems to give an answer), but they could only use their imagination according to their own knowledge. And in that knowledge was a cow, a camel, a land, some sheeps, food, work, forrest, river, sky, night and day, and accidental events which they couldn't explain, like natural disasters, and of course evil deeds like stealing and killing.
So one day probably someone sat down and started to think about what the hell is happening. He figured out that there are good and bad people, and that everyone gets hurt. He felt this unjust. Another day his relative or friend died probably and then he started to think what could possibly happen after death. Did he have a knowledge of energy, entropy, cells and such things, by which we define death in a physical manner? No. He just had knowledge of the prefect, and so he found out that maybe after life those injustices will be balanced by punishing the bad and rewarding the good. Hence exists the concept of heaven and hell. And who could be the afterlife judge? He has to be unfailing (so he has to know everything), he has to be eternal to judge people from all eras, and he has to have more power than anyone who he might judge. Hence exists the concept of a god who judges our deeds, thoughts and words.
Then on the next day, this man woke up and started his work with his family, and during the day he told them what he figured out as a fact. He told them that these thoughts were sent to him by that god, and that this is the ultimate truth, and that his family is blessed, etc. Since his family members didn't know anything what could possibly contradict his words, they simply accepted it. On the other day, the family members also told these concepts to their friends, and so on, and so forth. Soon everybody knew about this.
A couple of generations later people still knew and believed this stuff, yet they didn't even remember how this story was started. This is called a legend.
By the way, witch-hunt, magic, and other hocus-pocuses are based on the same kind of legends. It's just that Christianity once had a very strong armed force and so they were the ones who killed those who believed other legends, and not vice versa. This is the one and only FACT why christianity is so much more powerful than other doctrines.
People just LOVE to think that this whole stuff is something divine, and complex, and something so truly amazing, that we can't possibly have enough brain capability to figure it out. Yet, people just HATE to think that this whole thing could start simply like this.
But truth is not what we would like to accept...
I hear what you say. Though I do not agree. On the other hand I do not need to proof the Bible, there is enough evidence proving it. I do not need to argue with you, it is simply a decision of opinion.
I hear what you say. Though I do not agree. On the other hand I do not need to proof the Bible, there is enough evidence proving it. I do not need to argue with you, it is simply a decision of opinion.
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This is a serious question - no offense intended. Why do many of you (I'm not saying all) believe that this entire ecosystem, this planet, this universe, was created... for us? What leads you to the belief that everything was created for us - to sustain us, to shelter us? With the entire universe stretching off into infinity, trillions upon trillions of planets and stars burning or orbiting each other... what is there that says "We are the center and reason for it all?" Being an Atheist, this is one of the main reasons that I am skeptical of God. The idea that every plant, animal, and element was crafted especially for us seems somehow... selfish. Arrogant. Presumptuous. Which leads me to think... that I may know an answer to the ultimate question, not one that I agree with, but the one that is a result of modern society. If every particle and molecule was created, by God, specifically for humans, then... wouldn't that make us the meaning of life?
The universe was not created for us. The universe is. This planet is. We are the creation. As I said before, GOD is the plan. Global Organization and Development.
Purpose: Find a world where an intelligent creature can be created which can house the soul.
The Earth was found some 65,000,000 years ago. It had a high oxygen content. A young Sun. It was in a stable orbit but with our South Pole facing the Sun. Dinosaurs ruled the existing lands. By shifting the planet sufficiently, most of the existing life was destroyed. The planet was thrown into a sudden and nearly complete Ice Age. Over the next 64,990,000 years it was left alone to settle. During that time, Ice Age's came and went in cycles which we have scientific evidence of. After one of the Ice Age's waning cycles their was sufficient thawing so that the single land mass broke up and began, due to centrifugal forces, to move away from the southern hemisphere. They are still moving today.
Finally it was time. The Earth was nearly ready. Plant life may not have needed much tweaking but by biblical accounts some of that was done. Then on to the animals. And finally MAN.
If you wanted to creat a human today where would you start. I would start with the creature with the most apparent intellegence available - the ape. Initial attempts succeded but with limited results. We have evidence of differing species of man without an adjoining transitional creature alluded to in Darwins' theories. He is wrong. WE DID NOT EVOLVE FROM APE but...we were created from the ape, genetically. It was change a little and see the results. If not good enough, destroy the sample and make more changes until you have a successful result. WE are the success.
As for the meaning of life? Ours is to understand that we were created. I know you don't believe my explaination so far. It is expected. Out of 6.6 billion people only 144,000 will be able to understand. It is not likely that anyone reading this is one of them, but we are out there. You have made great strides in the last 4000 years but you allow your past beliefs to interfere with the truths that must be realized before you can accept them.
If asked, I will provide a list of things that I understand to be true but that even science cannot comprehend. Until later.
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Purpose: Find a world where an intelligent creature can be created which can house the soul.
The Earth was found some 65,000,000 years ago. It had a high oxygen content. A young Sun. It was in a stable orbit but with our South Pole facing the Sun. Dinosaurs ruled the existing lands. By shifting the planet sufficiently, most of the existing life was destroyed. The planet was thrown into a sudden and nearly complete Ice Age. Over the next 64,990,000 years it was left alone to settle. During that time, Ice Age's came and went in cycles which we have scientific evidence of. After one of the Ice Age's waning cycles their was sufficient thawing so that the single land mass broke up and began, due to centrifugal forces, to move away from the southern hemisphere. They are still moving today.
Finally it was time. The Earth was nearly ready. Plant life may not have needed much tweaking but by biblical accounts some of that was done. Then on to the animals. And finally MAN.
If you wanted to creat a human today where would you start. I would start with the creature with the most apparent intellegence available - the ape. Initial attempts succeded but with limited results. We have evidence of differing species of man without an adjoining transitional creature alluded to in Darwins' theories. He is wrong. WE DID NOT EVOLVE FROM APE but...we were created from the ape, genetically. It was change a little and see the results. If not good enough, destroy the sample and make more changes until you have a successful result. WE are the success.
As for the meaning of life? Ours is to understand that we were created. I know you don't believe my explaination so far. It is expected. Out of 6.6 billion people only 144,000 will be able to understand. It is not likely that anyone reading this is one of them, but we are out there. You have made great strides in the last 4000 years but you allow your past beliefs to interfere with the truths that must be realized before you can accept them.
If asked, I will provide a list of things that I understand to be true but that even science cannot comprehend. Until later.
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Why didn't god just created, from the start, a planet already perfect for "an intelligent creature which can house the soul"?
Are you saying god can make mistkes? That he's not able to create something perfect from the start?
we were created from the ape, genetically. It was change a little and see the results. If not good enough, destroy the sample and make more changes until you have a successful result.
Are you saying god can make mistkes? That he's not able to create something perfect from the start?
Pascalore, there are a few mistakes in your story, including that the tectonic plates did not start to move 10.000 years ago but millions of years ago, when the surface of Earth first cooled down. The evidence for this is simple: we know that the inner mass of the earth is still liquid, we see this every time a volcano blows. Since this huge ammount of liquid metal does not flow into one direction everywhere, it creates attractive forces which point to different directions. Such forces pull the tectonic plates with them, heading towards or aparting from each other. This process has nothing to do with the dwellers of Earth, this has only to do with the behavior of the magma inside the globe.
Saying that the Earth became ready with the creation of Man is like to say that the universe does not move anymore since humanity exists.
You state things (like that we were created and not evolved from the apes) of which there is no evidence at all. It's not that I wouldn't be able to understand your explanation, it's that you don't explain anything, you just state things without reasoning.
Saying that the Earth became ready with the creation of Man is like to say that the universe does not move anymore since humanity exists.
You state things (like that we were created and not evolved from the apes) of which there is no evidence at all. It's not that I wouldn't be able to understand your explanation, it's that you don't explain anything, you just state things without reasoning.
Finally it was time. The Earth was nearly ready. Plant life may not have needed much tweaking but by biblical accounts some of that was done. Then on to the animals. And finally MAN.
Um, yeah. So you believe God created the Earth to house the ultimate intelligent species. Man. That's exactly what I said before...
If you wanted to creat a human today where would you start. I would start with the creature with the most apparent intellegence available - the ape. Initial attempts succeded but with limited results. We have evidence of differing species of man without an adjoining transitional creature alluded to in Darwins' theories. He is wrong. WE DID NOT EVOLVE FROM APE but...we were created from the ape, genetically. It was change a little and see the results. If not good enough, destroy the sample and make more changes until you have a successful result. WE are the success.
Success? I'm not so sure...
If by "It worked", then "it" was a sucess, but then what exactly is the "it"?
Humans do crappy stuff, and lots of it, it's true, but there are people who do good stuff.
Humans do crappy stuff, and lots of it, it's true, but there are people who do good stuff.
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Genesis, C1, V2 "And the earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God moved over the waters."
It is assumed that the Sun was created after in Verse 3 with the ("Be light made"/let there be light) statement however even as a fourth or fifth grade student you knew something wasn't right about that but were unable to figure it out. Now, you just accept it without thinking about it. THINK ABOUT IT! Middle of space. Glob of water. Nothing else there. Void and empty. Middle of space...liquid water...no heat source...ARE YOU LISTENING NOW?
Not only did the Sun exist, we also know that dinosaurs, at least we think we know, lived here before we did in large quantities and with plenty of food. They couldn't live here now not only because our world couldn't provide enough food for them, our climate is too cold and too variant for them even at the equator. Science thinks they lived on the 'one island' located at the equator. Check your local museum. The reality is that at the time that Genesis C1 V2 were written, the dinosaurs were alive and well -on the other side of the planet. If you tilt the entire planet so that the North pole points away from the sun with all the land pulled together at the south pole (facing the sun), the back side, or dark side, wouldn't have any light and would be in darkness all the time. The convection effect of the heated ocean waters on the day side could keep the cold side just warm enough to keep ice from forming ie: "void and empty".
With a single land mass and no day/night cycling a constant much warmer temperature would exist on the day side. There would be no rain storms to cool the land but there would be a tremendous band of storms circling the globe at the present equator where the hot and cold fronts meet. This would also cause perpetual ozone creation from this one, huge storm system. Moisture would be evaporated, pulled towards the hot/cold front and rain down continuously. High ozone levels would help create the perfect humid environment. I don't believe in evolution. I do believe in adaptation. A wolf can become a dog with breeding and conditioning but it is not an unusual thing and could be done over and over starting out with just a wolf population. It is a matter of recessive genes being allowed to become dominant and not natural selection.
Realize something. If the dinosaurs were alive in verse 2, then they were not alive in verse 3. Tilting the earth to cause day and night to be separated would most definately cause the dinosaurs to die, the polar caps to immediately begin to form and our first ice age to begin. Stage one complete: Find a world where HUMAN could live and make the conditions proper for their survival.
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