It does not matter what we think, how we try to proof anything, or solve the puzzle, we won't. How everything came about to be in being come from the "Divine Source". Only the Source now the answer.
As much as we learn about biology, science, physics, psycology, or any subject for that matter, only the "Divine Source" knows it all. We haven't figure out a tenth of the answer yet.
At this point, I think, it is more important to decide if you believe in the existence of a "Divine Source" or not. Because this is were each persons answers will begin, or end and more confusion will start, dependent on what you believe.
As much as we learn about biology, science, physics, psycology, or any subject for that matter, only the "Divine Source" knows it all. We haven't figure out a tenth of the answer yet.
At this point, I think, it is more important to decide if you believe in the existence of a "Divine Source" or not. Because this is were each persons answers will begin, or end and more confusion will start, dependent on what you believe.
That is an almighty power, beyond the understanding of our human brains. It is pretty awesome to realize we cannot comprehend this, and we think we are inteligent. It is beyond this. To realize the creator of everything, even created us has and understanding and created all the physics, chemistry, biology, ..... everything, we still try to understand. This is awesome!!!
That is an almighty power, beyond the understanding of our human brains.
One who knows not the limits of human understanding should not claim what is beyond it.
And who would know its limits?!
That is the problem, we think we fully understand, but we don't. Only 10% of the human mind are being used, so how can we claim we understand??? Let's develop the rest first, then talk again :)
That is the problem, we think we fully understand, but we don't. Only 10% of the human mind are being used, so how can we claim we understand???
You confuse some things here.
Imagine you have a pot with 10 liters capacity. Even if there is only 1 liter water in the pot, you still have enough water to cook one portion of rice, and you don't need another 9 liters of water before you could cook one portion of rice.
The same is with our brain and understanding. Just because we don't use all our brain's potential capacity, we don't necessarily lack the ability to understand and answer these questions. You can't say that 10% usage is not enough for the answers, you can't say that 20% should be enough, you just can guess, but that's not certainty, that's not a fact, that is just your own belief.
Human brain didn't evolve dramatically for the last 2000 years, yet, we live way more advanced life than those 2000 years ago. So the thing what makes us capable of understanding these questions is maybe already ours; it's just that we didn't get to the bottom of it yet.
In fact, Buddhist scripts from 2500 years ago talk about subatomic particles, they just used different name for them. And a guy named Heron of Alexandria already invented all needed parts for a steam engine 2000 years ago, he just didn't put them together - 1700 years before the industrial revolution.
By the way, I didn't say we fully understand. What I say is that I do not believe that we cannot understand these things, I don't believe, just because others do, that we don't have the ability to understand these. I don't believe, just because others don't understand these, that neither can I understand these.
But if you feel better thinking that you're not intelligent or smart enough to understand such things then it's fine for me.
This is what I enjoy about this website, and people like you, the complete diverse point of views available. So I enjoyed your point of view, and found your comparison quite interesting. Well, I do not exactly see my brain as a pot of rice, but since you used it that way, lets discuss it.
If our brain is a pot with a capacity of 10liter, it means there are already 10 liter of "fluid" in it, but currenlty we try to cook a cup of rice in 10 liter of fluid, not just 1 liter of fluid. This is how I see it. We do have the potential, it is just not developed yet.
Another thing, I agree with you there were people in the past who invented, or thought out things that were only put to use centuries later, but the question is, why did they not do it back then? There are 2 apparent plausible answers. They were either ages ahead of there times or they could not see how there invention could be put to use. Either way, it was only used ages later, when "time was right".
This brings me to something else, what if, we are withheld from developing to much brain capacity to fast? (Thus to be able to cook 5 cups instead of only 1). What if we are not suppose to understand or to be able to configure intregate consept now, but that it will be done later - in another generation.
Another thing, as fast we gain new information, understanding, we loose old ones. Basic knowledge - wisdom of life has been lost???
If our brain is a pot with a capacity of 10liter, it means there are already 10 liter of "fluid" in it, but currenlty we try to cook a cup of rice in 10 liter of fluid, not just 1 liter of fluid. This is how I see it. We do have the potential, it is just not developed yet.
Another thing, I agree with you there were people in the past who invented, or thought out things that were only put to use centuries later, but the question is, why did they not do it back then? There are 2 apparent plausible answers. They were either ages ahead of there times or they could not see how there invention could be put to use. Either way, it was only used ages later, when "time was right".
This brings me to something else, what if, we are withheld from developing to much brain capacity to fast? (Thus to be able to cook 5 cups instead of only 1). What if we are not suppose to understand or to be able to configure intregate consept now, but that it will be done later - in another generation.
Another thing, as fast we gain new information, understanding, we loose old ones. Basic knowledge - wisdom of life has been lost???
Basic knowledge - wisdom of life has been lost???
Why would it be lost? You can still find wisdom and knowledge originated from thousands of years ago, like religions, or things we use like paper, candle, gunpowder, just to name a few.
Did we lose knowledge? Most certainly yes. Is that knowledge really so valuable that we should have to pass it on to the next generations? Most certainly no. All the valuable knowledge is still available. This is like evolution itself. Strong species don't die out - weak ones do. So useless knowledge dies out, while important knowledge lives on.
Of course human judgment sometimes classifies useless and unhealthy things valuable and vice versa. To admit such judgments and discriminate right from wrong, we need wisdom. But wisdom is not something what you can teach to others. You can share wisdom, but it doesn't mean that people will become wiser - everyone has to understand it himself.
It is not really meaningful to have an ultimate being who decides what we can understand and what not. Understanding can be actually developed. It's a skill what you can develop with certain methods. However, this is not actually the issue of the initial post here :)
Most certainly, knowledge has been lost, whether important or not, which will depend on each person's point of view, principles, etc.
Like knowledge, wisdom is not obtained by doing nothing..... obviously, wisdom is also dependant on experience .... obviously.
"How came many particles from the one particle at the beginning?
How did multiple-cell organisms appear among single-cell organisms?
How can multiple consciousness exist beside the "divine consciousness"?
How can many things exist if all is from one?"
As you have indicated - to come back to your original post .....
To me the answer is apparent, but I know not all think this way, ....
All started by one Divine Creator.... not from evolution....
Evolution is a fabrication by people who cannot accept that there is one Creator.
This is part of the basic knowledge, I was refering to, not many people believe this anymore. Many has forgotten, others ignore bluntly because they can't take it that humans are fragile and not so clever and knowledgable as we want ourselves to be. And as I have said before, we have still a lot to learn. Another part that is being neglected is the spiritual part - with no religic reference, but purely, questioning people's understanding of there own spirituality, the spirit being within and its wellbeing.
YOur questions is not that easy to answer, but also it is not difficult - if you believe in the existance of one Creator, then the answer is plain and apparent. But if you don't you open yourself to the complexity of digging for answers you cannot find. The deeper you dig, the more confusing it becomes, the less you know - and unfortunetely that is exactly what the "Fallen One" want to happen - to breed confusion, turmoil, lostness, pain, and....... eventualy self destruction.
This is my point of view..... :)
Like knowledge, wisdom is not obtained by doing nothing..... obviously, wisdom is also dependant on experience .... obviously.
"How came many particles from the one particle at the beginning?
How did multiple-cell organisms appear among single-cell organisms?
How can multiple consciousness exist beside the "divine consciousness"?
How can many things exist if all is from one?"
As you have indicated - to come back to your original post .....
To me the answer is apparent, but I know not all think this way, ....
All started by one Divine Creator.... not from evolution....
Evolution is a fabrication by people who cannot accept that there is one Creator.
This is part of the basic knowledge, I was refering to, not many people believe this anymore. Many has forgotten, others ignore bluntly because they can't take it that humans are fragile and not so clever and knowledgable as we want ourselves to be. And as I have said before, we have still a lot to learn. Another part that is being neglected is the spiritual part - with no religic reference, but purely, questioning people's understanding of there own spirituality, the spirit being within and its wellbeing.
YOur questions is not that easy to answer, but also it is not difficult - if you believe in the existance of one Creator, then the answer is plain and apparent. But if you don't you open yourself to the complexity of digging for answers you cannot find. The deeper you dig, the more confusing it becomes, the less you know - and unfortunetely that is exactly what the "Fallen One" want to happen - to breed confusion, turmoil, lostness, pain, and....... eventualy self destruction.
This is my point of view..... :)
YOur questions is not that easy to answer, but also it is not difficult - if you believe in the existance of one Creator, then the answer is plain and apparent.
The answer to an objective question must not, and cannot, rely upon individual beliefs. Saying that 2*2 equals 5 because I believe it does, is mere nonsense, and it's not different with anything else to which we try to apply an ultimate answer.
The deeper you dig, the more confusing it becomes, the less you know - and unfortunetely that is exactly what the "Fallen One" want to happen - to breed confusion, turmoil, lostness, pain, and....... eventualy self destruction.
This is nothing more than your mere belief, in lack of objectivity. You pretend to know where to find the highest limit of human knowledge and capability - but most likely you don't know it, you just believe that you know it. It is, however, a common human problem that one claims to know something what one actually only believes.
However, I agree with you that only a creative source can make more from one. Yet, I can only say that I believe this to be true, I don't know any certain philosophical methods to prove this, and I don't know how else to find proof. So I believe this to be true. But this doesn't mean that I accept such things as the existence of "fallen ones", which is clearly ridiculous and most certainly violates the laws of nature. And yes, nature's laws must not be violated, and evolution might not be completely pointless or without an external agent, but it sure is part of nature.
And, since I say I believe this to be true without knowing that it is really true, I'm eventually not closer to the answer of the question, I just might have found something what makes me feel better without the actual knowledge. Technically, this is what we do most of the time: we accept a belief to feel better without knowing.
Yes, for as many people there are, that many different variations you may get. What I belief, I may be able to proof with facts, and so for you. And as much as you may think it is rediculous to say 2*2 = 5, a Maths master may be able to proof it with a long and difficult formula or something, which is not easilly understandable.
The point I try to make, is: what I belief as truth, is not necessarily your truth, though I may be able to proof it.
For interest sake, why would you like to proof with "philosophical methods" that a creative source can make more from one - why not with biological methods?
And why would "fallen ones" violate the laws of nature - what then about "yin and yan" (sorry if the spelling if it is incorrect) - good and evil?
To belief something is good,.... but wee need to make sure that what we believe is based on facts, stated and proved. But still its good. It gives us a foundation to build our lives on. If a person beliefs nothing, questions everything, and don't accept something as truth, what then? :)
The point I try to make, is: what I belief as truth, is not necessarily your truth, though I may be able to proof it.
For interest sake, why would you like to proof with "philosophical methods" that a creative source can make more from one - why not with biological methods?
And why would "fallen ones" violate the laws of nature - what then about "yin and yan" (sorry if the spelling if it is incorrect) - good and evil?
To belief something is good,.... but wee need to make sure that what we believe is based on facts, stated and proved. But still its good. It gives us a foundation to build our lives on. If a person beliefs nothing, questions everything, and don't accept something as truth, what then? :)
I figured out that most of the questions what we can't answer have a common problem. It is: these questions deal with multiple things which are originated from a single source. But we have no idea how comes the many from the one.
How came many particles from the one particle at the beginning?
How did multiple-cell organisms appear among single-cell organisms?
How can multiple consciousness exist beside the "divine consciousness"?
How can many things exist if all is from one?
I'd really like to read any opinions, no matter how silly it seems, because I have no idea :)
How came many particles from the one particle at the beginning?
How did multiple-cell organisms appear among single-cell organisms?
How can multiple consciousness exist beside the "divine consciousness"?
How can many things exist if all is from one?
I'd really like to read any opinions, no matter how silly it seems, because I have no idea :)
"as a child you would create worlds, go back there now and lift your pine cone to the heavens".
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How came many particles from the one particle at the beginning?
How did multiple-cell organisms appear among single-cell organisms?
How can multiple consciousness exist beside the "divine consciousness"?
How can many things exist if all is from one?
I'd really like to read any opinions, no matter how silly it seems, because I have no idea :)