The meaning of life

Firstly, this is what christians believe to be the truth, but there is no evidence for this.

Secondly, this is what the church says about the Bible, and so the believers have to accept this, thus they say this too, but there is no proof for this either.

Wether you believe it or not, this may still be false.

Just tell me how to achieve that. I presume this is basically impossible without knowing God, and I don't think that God is what the church tells about him. Feel free to convince me.

This is a primary contradiction between christian religious teachings and the right interpretation of God, since God is not the creator, but he IS the world. There can't be any other right interpretation of any divine and omnipotent being.

The ordinary view of good and evil eliminates the human factor from the equation, assuming that good and evil are self-existent things. Yet, good and evil is something what human beings can become, and not something what exists arount human beings, independent from them.

This is the truth in plain simple language.

Secondly, this is what the church says about the Bible, and so the believers have to accept this, thus they say this too, but there is no proof for this either.
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No it is not what the church says, it is what the Bible says. In many instances God, Jesus or an angel of God were send to the person who were given the responsibility to document what was requested to be documented.
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Wether you believe it or not, this may still be false.
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I know for sure that Jesus is the Son of God, and that it is the truth. You suspect it to be false.
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Just tell me how to achieve that. I presume this is basically impossible without knowing God, and I don't think that God is what the church tells about him. Feel free to convince me.
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Since you have such an issue with the church, that will not be the way to go. And if you really, truly want to know Him, then call Him. Talk to him. You do not need a church, a rabbi, a priest to do that, you yourself can talk to God. Do not lie to him, tell the truth.
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This is a primary contradiction between christian religious teachings and the right interpretation of God, since God is not the creator, but he IS the world. There can't be any other right interpretation of any divine and omnipotent being.
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Yes and no, God is the creator, but yes he is part of everything around us and us - the Holy Spirit.
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The ordinary view of good and evil eliminates the human factor from the equation, assuming that good and evil are self-existent things. Yet, good and evil is something what human beings can become, and not something what exists arount human beings, independent from them.
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The choice I talk about is: for God or against God. Yes, ultimatly it means a choice between good or evil. All people has both, good and evil. But all people also has the choice - to be primarily good or evil. But by choosing God, we choose redemption and freedom from sin.
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This is the truth in plain simple language.
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Someone, you try to affirm that you tell the truth by repeating "this is the truth". This doesn't make anything true, and doesn't prove anything. You refer to fairytales as facts and personal beliefs as truth. This is not the way things work.
Here you can read a little story about what actually can be called truth and what can't.

Sorry to the person who was trying to send a comment in this thread and received an error.. There was a problem and it's now fixed.

By the way Someone, by registering you would be able to edit your posts! Now you can't fix the quotes in your last message.

I was trying... :) No problem.

So be it if you think it is a fairytale. I am really sorry for you.
Since, it is the truth, and I do not have to proof anything.
Acceptance or rejection is yours. Neither can I force you to believe it, not can I make that choice for you. If you see it as a fairytale. I hope, for your sake that one day, the truth will become apparent to you.

Thanks

Oh my, this was touching. I believe you didn't read that answer I linked in my previous comment.
You're surely right, you don't have to prove anything. But it is expectable not to call something 'truth' if it's not a fact, just a belief. Proof is something what exists for everything what can be called truth or fact. You just don't want to prove anything because you can't.

But maybe the problem is really just that you don't understand what belief and fact actually means.

I do not need to proof anything, It is proven already. YOu do not accept it as proof. You do not accept the Bible. Nor do you accept that it is written by God, through people. I cannot make you believe this. Though if you are really interested in the subject, you would have research archaeology proving the Bible. Maybe you have, but because you do not want to belief it, you persist with the oldest argument against the Bible.
Maybe it is because I am a real believer, and you cannot comprehend this fact. And maybe, you like to argue, to test people, for fun! What ever it is, enjoy it :)

Someone,

What are your thoughs about sacred books from other religions, that talk about another god than the one in the bible?

My god, this is really not worth to reply... Whatever.
Open a dictionary and read the definiton of FACT, BELIEF and PROOF. You have surely no idea what your own words mean...

Whatever!!!
Mmmm, I guess that is what happen when truth prevail.
People grab the last little straw to hold on to. They know they are incorrect and they know they were shown the correct way, yet, they are too proud to admit it.
So be it. Enjoy it.

I will not pass judgement on other religions. This is not for me to do so. Though I do not agree with them, neither do I believe them.
I realize that as much as I believe the Bible to be true and God to be the only God, there are other people who believe the same about their god, and their sacret books.

But are all religions and all gods true? Only one religion is true. Only one God is true. Only one "sacred book" is true. All the other are false. I believe mine is true, because my Bible say that to me. But other probably say the same, which I don't know, and I am not interested to find out.
Does this answer your question?

This is exactly why the things you're talking about are called belief, and not fact.

You believe the bible is true because the bible tells it so... Humm, ok.


Yes. And I feel very sad for the humanity that lots of people think like you.

Thinking you have the Truth and not even being interested in what others considere to be the Truth is what leads to wars.

I can't believe I got this from a manga, but one of the pro-antangonists (guy is sort of both) said something like truth is how we define our reality, and that what we accept as true limits our reality.

So, what we accept (or believe) as true is true, it just isn't true for everyone else

For instance, I am an atheist who believes God exists, just not for me. Because, what else would Christians and such be believing in?

Everyone is also right because why should only some be so "enlightened" when everyone is human to see the whole "truth"? Every religion has a bit of a big truth and in a smaller sense is competely true.

In case it isn't obvious I take "coexist" to heart.

Gravity exists and effects your life wether you accept it or not.
Energy persistence exists and effects your way of works and deeds, wether you accept it or not.
Time in your environment exists linearly, whether you accept it or not.

See, you can pretend that something exists for you because you accept it, and you can pretend that others don't exist because you don't accept them... but this is only true for the impressions of the things, events and circumstances, and they're not true for the things, events and circumstances themselves.

Things are usually not what we think they are. But this doesn't mean that everything is because of us, neither that nothing is because of us. This means that there is a set of realities (which contains all the possible states of each moment in time), and we are like another set, a subset of the reality-set. And there is a third set which contains a segment within the Us-set (each different for everyone, of course) and one segment with the Reality-set. These segments are what we are able to experience, but this doesn't mean that we experience those things in the way they actually are. What we experience is lightwaves, molecules, electricity, gravity, particle movement, and such things. We don't experience chair, car, dog, food and such things, we just translate the experiences into the language of our thoughts.
The impression of experience is what we call chair, dog, etc., and the experience is light, molecules, etc., and probably these all don't exist in the way we know them, because the reality-set consists of something totally different what we can't even possibly imagine.

It is a very fancy ideology today that the world is as we believe it to be, and so we can believe whatever. Atually, it may be possible that we are able to "neutralize" gravity and levitate. Maybe we are. No one has ever done it, but this doesn't mean that we can't, this only means that maybe we can, we just don't know how.

It would be beautiful to find that everything can be as I believe. However, it would be much more helpful to be satisfied with a few true beliefs and convinctions, without insistence to many more false ones just because they would be beautiful if they would be true.

Ok, and what then, when belief and fact meet?

If you do not know what is the truth, seek for it, but if you know why do you need to seek? It does not make sense. It is like fixing something that is working fine.
I think, it is a question of people who do not have the truth, and they cannot understand that there are people who do have it.

I understand what you say. But are you aware that a lot of people from other religions are also perfecty convinced that they also know the truth?