The meaning of life

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Evolution not reason to discount Creator

Warrior - 2014-11-03 01:32
Evolutionary theory is used by some, like Richard Dawkins-being the most notable hardcore atheist, to repudiate the belief in the existence of God (by God I mean Creator--just as it states in the Bible--"all things that were made were made by Him"). But the problem with such atheists as Dawkins is that they make a logical error with this assumption. I would call this the fallacy of confounding an effect with a cause. Dawkins's books are filled with explanations of things that happen, due to Natural Selection. The mistake he makes is in thinking that an explanation of things that happen constitutes an explanation of why these things happen. It's the fallacy of confounding an effect with a cause, or an explanation of a what for an explanation of a why. While natural selection is grounded in science, the mistake that is often made is in thinking that natural selection is a cause, whereas it can also be taken to be an effect. That is, it is part of an overall process that extends beyond just the question of the origin of species. The overall process began with the big bang, but what happened before the big bang to produce the big bang? Natural selection plays no part in an explanation of the big bang. It has limited explanatory scope, and this is where Dawkins gets his thinking wrong. The question of what happened to produce the big bang is a question that belongs not just to cosmologists. It is a question that belongs to the branch of philosophy called metaphysics, and I am wondering if any members here have any thoughts in this regard. Does big bang cosmology point in the direction of metaphysics, and can metaphysics provide a rational proof for the existence of a Supreme Creator? My argument is that it does point in this direction. The reason I have for saying this goes beyond what I can post in this what I would call, Introduction to metaphysics.

Causal argument

Warrior - 2014-11-02 02:15
I've just subscribed to this forum, don't know what people are like here. I've formulated my own argument that at least to my own satisfaction, provides an answer to why our universe exists; it conforms to everything science can tell us, but the conclusion is that there is a Supreme Being or an Absolute Mind who created the universe. Thus, the title to my work: "Causal Argument for the Existence of a Supreme Being." There are two parts in my own solution to this question, and this solution comes from a philosophical perspective. I'm now beginning to work on the second part (a theodicy). I'm just putting this much out now as an introduction to my own thinking. Hoping there might be some constructive debate on the main question put forth by this forum. There is a solution to this question but our finite minds can only understand the solution imperfectly, through our abstract reasoning processes. Nonetheless, we can have a rational solution to the question. Empirical sciences can only take us so far. There is the branch of philosophy called metaphysics, that can take us beyond empirical sciences, to achieve a rational solution. The philosopher I quote mostly to this end, is Immanuel Kant. The premise I begin with is 'nothing' but I take issue with the very idea of 'nothing' and discount our 'common-sensed' notion of this word, and offer a critical redefinition of nothing that allows room for a premise that leads through to the rational solution I've formulated to this fundamentally important question.

As for this concept of nothing. We have a common-sensed dictionary definition for this word but to carry this common-sensed definition/idea over into metaphysics is a mistake. Kant called it 'the magic wand of so-called common sense,' and dismissed any appeal to this magic wand where judgments of metaphysics are concerned. The void that preceded the universe was an absolute state, not simply a nothing. And this absolute state is something that reaches beyond the power of our finite human comprehension. We cannot, that is, grasp this absolute state in its wholeness for we are only finite beings, not infinite beings. This therefore leads me to dismiss the argument put forth by some that 'nothing only leads to nothing.' This is a common-sensed judgment, not a critical, metaphysical judgment. Our common sense serves its use in our practical, daily lives, but the question of the origin of the universe demands that we go further in our thinking about such ideas as our common-sensed notion of nothing.

Don't know if this is enough to provoke some commentary.

How Hard Is It To 'Get In'?

Trace - 2014-10-29 12:26
Was wondering about what percentage of people are predicted by the bible to go to heaven.

There are several theories about the 144000 mentioned in Revelation but my best guess is that they represent the number of people who during this lifetime actually 'Get It'. i wondered what percentage of the earths population that represents. Since it turns out there have been about 108 billion people born, that represents about 1 in 748000 people. That's like .00013% of us. And of course this assumes that the 'End' comes today.

The Bible says that the path is narrow that leads to heaven, but this is pretty restrictive. Of course it looks like that is not all that 'get in'. The 144000 are just the A+ group. I dont know what the minimum GPA is to get in but there is a lower standard for that. According to the book, something like "10,000 x 10,000 + thousands and thousands" which is not precise but thats as close to a number as we get. Still pretty slim odds. That's like a little fewer than 1 in 1000 people even get the minimum grade.

Intelligent Creation

Quantum - 2014-10-26 13:32
If we are created by God, it solves many questions. He has created a machine worthy of His very image. He harms none, and there is a glowing piece of His power within us all. But how do we reach this ultimateness?

If you have an answer, it is what I wish to hear.

The Myth of "Free"

Trace - 2014-10-06 23:15
I generally deplore attempts to prove the truth of one's beliefs by quoting verses from the Bible or other holy book but because the belief in an 'unconditional gift' is so ingrained in religious beliefs, especially the Christian faiths, I feel it is appropriate to show that there are any number of clues in their own holy book showing that this isn't exactly true. Just for example,

Mathew 13:45-46 -
"....the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: [46] Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it. …"

Clearly, it hints that there is a price, even if what you get in return is well worth it. It does no one any good to claim that something is free when in fact there is a price to pay. That price has nothing to do with the collection plate passed around the pews in church services in case you thought that was where I was going. No one gets off that cheaply.

Boredom

reelbuddha - 2014-09-22 04:25
I will try to be clear and direct in this discussion:

I recently have a large amount of free time on my hands. During much of my time I have been finding task and activities to keep myself busy. As a person who prides himself on thought and meditation, it struck me strange that, when given the opportunity, I should avoid thought and meditation. In fact it became apparent that I was finding these activities very difficult to begin and maintain. I recognized a kind of dread in these activities, the same as the dread of boredom.
After some thought I came to some conclusions:
-when we are bored, we become greatly self-aware; our environment, our body, and our mind.
-Generally people like to be continuously entertained, resulting in the avoidance of prolonged self awareness and boredom. We promote the ideal to avoid boredom.
Here is the question:
Why do we dread boredom? My thoughts are running along the lines that I'm dreading self awareness. When I am bored or I meditate my attention is on my own existence. But i'm not sure why I would dread existence or being self aware.
Still processing it; let me know if you have any thoughts on about boredom.

The Answer to the Question of Life, the Universe & Everything.

Deany - 2014-09-17 05:54
It is my understanding that when we 'die' the body goes back to nature as they are both part of the material illusion. We ourselves are of a spiritual nature and return home on our being re-absorbed back into the Oneness of the Source from which we originated. Our brains are not actually 'us' at all. They are utilised by the spirit in much the same way that we are using our computers right now. The computer isn't actually part of us, but it is enabling us to communicate. Our bodies, in turn, are not actually part of us, but are needed to navigate through the illusional notion of everything being separated into countless beings, objects and elements, that we are currently inhabiting - and mistakenly believing to be 'real'.

As we are born out of the illusion (not 'into' - think about it) with no guidance whatsoever beyond those who are already trapped within it - taking it to be 'real', and the one and only 'real' there is - is an easy thing to do. Not so easy to undo, but not by any means impossible.

Our big problem is that back in the mists of long-passed time we have somehow forgotten what we truly are. Bodies are not needed in the spiritual Oneness of Reality. By Oneness, I mean simply that. Nothing is separated, All is whole, complete, eternal, infinite, unlimited and unchanging. The perfect opposites of a perfect separation - beginnings and endings, good and evil, birth and death, day and night, left and right, up and down, etc etc only exist here within this experience. Oneness, being eternal, has no beginnings or endings or opposites of any kind. No opposites = no conflict. All is one and one is all. I know it is not an easy notion to grasp fully at first, but that's because the mainstream thinking of the world is so opposite to the Truth, as one would expect in a world like this. One of chaos, as opposed to Reality's total peace.

Spiritual and unseen, peace, joy and happiness are enveloped within the Oneness of the Source. Perfect Love, its total Truth currently beyond our understanding, is the only Reality. Having said that though, God, or the Source's, world of Oneness is detectable here even though it is unseen. Things from His world cannot be given away, whereas earthly things can. For example. if I give a person my hat, I no longer have a hat. In fact, if I give away anything from the material world I no longer have it. But if I give a person Love, Joy and Happiness, all things from the unseen Oneness, I not only still have them myself, they are multiplied many times over. This is because in the unseen world of Oneness, everything is one and giving is the same as receiving, just as having is the same as being. In the world of Reality, there is no lack at all.

The way out is forgiveness in the form of realising that we are all inhabiting what amounts to no more than a chaotic nightmare and that nobody has actually done anything or committed any crime whatsoever. The Truth really does set you free.. A nightmare is only a nigh...

The sims kinda makes me feel like Im God

sanchit - 2014-09-05 08:54
Anybody else felt that? Playing the video game sims? - Youtube link here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjPPjU8OARg

Players can put their virtual avatar through all sorts of live adventures and everything

Why happiness is your way out

sanchit - 2014-09-05 08:42
I was recently thinking about just the way out of all of this. Life, worries, troubles, nirvana. And since happiness is simply the opposite of sadness - and nothing more or nothing less. I began to wonder.

The following is an article from my blog, modified to fit a conversational tone required to communicate on this platform. :O

Assuming that the universe is pure violence and excessive horrors – like the great plagues, the depressions, and the tsunamis; then how exactly can you react to these phenomena?
The phenomena that are outside your scope of intelligence.

How long would you feel sad for? Days, months, or years? – What would happen after all the emotional back-n-forth, the cocooning of your own self, and the blanketing of your own mind? When would you eventually accept it and move on.

Assuming that the universe is boring. And life then becomes a drag, that lasts for days on end. You’re blocking your own happiness, and hence eventually the tiger turns its own stripes but can never forget its own roar. Happiness, in the end, is your way out of boredom.

Assuming that your world is extremely stressful, and you have problems mounting on top of mountains. Like a duck that appears calm on the top, while paddling at 20 miles n hour underneath. You’re only way out is to take it easy, and to figure out a way through. Happiness pervades everything.

Find that happiness, and you’ll fall in love with life. After that, its all going to fit in. Because you’ve found a reason to live, and a reason to find a solution to your seemingly minuscule problems. You’ll start to love life again.
Its like the jungle that can scare you with the sounds of its animals at night. But after a while, you find the patterns in the sounds and it becomes more like music.

Although, we don't really stick to being happy, do we.

My own thoughts

kalamae - 2014-09-02 04:09
I am a Biology major at a major university. I just started my senior year, so I've been in a bunch of classes. I want to believe everything that scientists say about a Big Bang and chance probabilities. I want to believe that we are all here by a chance encounter of the right elements at the right time. But I can't. I can't see how nothing can create something. And not just something, but a huge complex and incomprehensible universe.
Just thinking of the size and complexity of a single cell is almost unbelievable. Much less worlds and space we can't even see with a telescope. What caused the Big Bang? I've read that scientists think it could have been lightening? Lightening in the middle of nothing?
Think about that.. There wasn't even space in the beginning. There was nothing. Our atmosphere
allows for lighting because it has the right conditions and reactions. Where the hell did the lightening come from? Does anyone else see a problem with this theory? We know that there was a beginning because the universe is headed for death eventually. It's not timeless. Where did it start? When did it start? I'm searching for answers. This one question of the begging is the answer to what the meaning of life is.
If there is a God then the meaning of life would be to find him and praise him. If the answer is a chemical imbalanced created the earth, stars, planets, sun, etc. then I guess the answer would be to live like you want because when you die it's all over. There's nothing beyond this life. This is actually very depressing for me. What do I want to live for if there's only death in the end? I can't believe that this is all there is because people would be different if it was. I'm flaberghasted. What is the proof that there is a God though? There's documents about Jesus, but where is the hard evidence? I don't think I have enough faith to believe random chance could create all that exists.
People (who are highly evolved) can't create grass or trees or animals from nothing. How can nothing? That is too much. People that believe that have Wayy more faith than me. I think there has to be a higher power. There has to be an intelligent designer. Who is it? That's another forum.
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