The meaning of life

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Primary conclusions of what life is about

observing - 2014-08-17 21:27
My thoughts are currently set. The question is about how one should spend one's life. What should we make out of our lives?

Note that this is all a very simplified form of my initial lines of reasoning. I have though a while about it. They might be interesting for those who want to read about answer suggestions on a fundamental question about life.

Looking at an objective view, I find no answer. It is a question about 'what is better than the other' and you can not make such judgements objectively. It is perhaps also quite self-evident that you can not objectively find and verify an answer to this kind of question.

So it is all about a subjective judgement. Quite reasonable, it means we can only answer this question by using our own experiences, knowledge and all that.

In that case, how could one answer be more correct than another for ANOTHER person? You might have all the evidence in the world but hey, still your own experiences talking for you.

I would hence like to believe that there is no answer for everyone. Note, there is more reasoning behind it, I just didn't want to flood this post with thoughts. So, in other words, you can define any possible meaning to your life. No matter what, you are still not inherently wrong.

All in all, it means I believe life has no predefined meaning. Now, you may take a cynical approach and derive that the world could just as well end. Another possible approach (and very very more commonly preferred) is that you should seek hapiness for as many as possible. Actually, no matter what, no definition of meaning is more correct than another.

Important to point out: this kind of meaninglessness does NOT necessarily mean you should be indifferent to suffering or anything similar. That is such a common misunderstanding, so please do not misunderstand!! Instead, it means you can believe in any meanings (INCLUDING COMPASSION AND ALL THAT) and not be inherently wrong. Please, just do not misunderstand. How many people would really pick such a cynical meaning to one's life provided that your choice is completely free?

So what does this mean in real life? For me, it essentially means acceptance of everything (literally everything). No matter how good or bad, it is acceptable. However, that alone means pure indifference which makes decision-making impossible so, in addition, I create meanings to be able to make decisions.

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I just added this to the site rules (displayed when you click on the "More info..." link in the header) :

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There are no strict rules on what content will be deleted, but here are the two main guidelines :

- External links

If you post a link to another website, without adding more content than "Go check that site if you want to know what is the meaning of life!", your post will be deleted. But if you post a link and then you explain what that site is about and why you think it is interesting, then it will probably be fine.

In other words : if we feel you're only trying to get users to go to the linked site (for whatever reason : promotion, trying to convert readers to your beliefs, etc.), that's not acceptable. If you start a discussion here and the linked site is relevant to that discussion, that's fine!

- Quotes from holy books

If your post is full of quotes from an holy book (the Bible, the Koran, The Bhagavad Gita or any other) it will probably be deleted. This site is made to discuss your opinion on the meaning of life. All beliefs and religions are welcome but you have to explain why you believe this or that. Repeatedly quoting an holy book, doesn't explain anything to those who don't share your beliefs.


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What If You Met God?

Trace - 2014-08-11 02:28
What would you do if you met God?
You met him and there was absolutely no doubt in your mind that it was Him.
There was no question about it being a dream, a hallucination, a trick of your mind or your imagination.
It was Him and he gave you unimpeachable proof in whatever way you wanted but he gave it to you for your use only.

What would you do?

Creating God

Trace - 2014-08-03 00:43
I am always amazed at the emptiness of the 'New Age' school of thought on the origin of God. It generally takes two forms:

1. We Are God. Unable to wrap their heads around the idea of an independent, all powerful creator of the universe but also unable to dismiss the spiritual nature of man, the idea that we collectively make up the entity of God gives them a plausible explanation for his existence without all the baggage of traditional religion.

2. We created God. Since New Agers accept the idea that we are spiritual beings with spiritual powers, the idea that we, desiring a higher power, brought God into existence by our own will. Serves the same purposes as #1

Some of my favorite quotes on the subject:

" I was made merely in the image of God, but not resembling Him enough to be mistaken for Him by anyone except a very near-sighted person." - Mark Twain

"Men rarely create gods superior to themselves. Most gods have the morals and manners of a spoiled child." - Robert Heinlein

"Oh these foolish men! They cannot create so much as a worm, yet they create gods by the dozens!" - Michel Montaigne

When Earth is destroyed

Owlhoots - 2014-07-23 15:32
Hello, I am going to start by using the assumption that we die and are reborn on Earth.

What do you think happens to us when there is no more Earth?

I don't really even know how to explain myself or my thoughts on this matter other than
just saying, the darkness?!?



The Biggest Mystery of All

Trace - 2014-07-19 13:22
Since I have gone out and made the baldfaced claim to know God, a few have asked me off line what the mystery is behind finding the truth about God and if I agree with some recognized spiritual teachers. This is a tricky question to answer, hope I haven't mucked it up.

Mooji, Eckhart Toole, Buddha and many other spiritual teachers have approached the correct way to begin the search for truth and that does often require you to step outside yourself or as some put it, 'lose your identity' and become pure un associated consciousness. This can be necessary if you need to sweep away all your preconceived notions and misconceptions of what purpose lies behind the universe and what God wants of and for you, and we all do need that. Some achieve it through meditation, others while stewing in depression or on drugs and still others just by quiet contemplation. It is a beautiful and cleansing experience but they then make the mistake of thinking that this is the destination, that this is 'God consciousness' and the path to becoming 'One with All'. Not to minimize the truth and importance of it but this is all just spiritual mumbo jumbo meaning - 'Just Get Over Yourself'. Forget your inflated ego AND also your inferiority complex. If you are not happy with some aspect of yourself, fix it. If you find you can't fix it, consider that you might be looking at it the wrong way, maybe it doesn't need fixing. If there is any order in the universe, there is nothing that can stand in your way. Once you have accomplished this it is time to move on and discover The Biggest Mystery of All:

God, the all powerful creator of the universe, Loves You.

Not 'you mankind', not some universal merged consciousness where we are all 'One' and not you the insignificant evolved worm, bent over in submission and believing yourself wholly unworthy but YOU the individual with your identity fully intact. Unimaginable as it may seem, He hears You. Don't be afraid to talk.

The Meaning of life in Islam

Muhammed - 2014-07-17 20:01
People everywhere are asking the questions; "What is the purpose of life?" and "Why are we here?" You might be amazed to learn, that Islam is providing clear and concise answers for these questions.

Most of those who reflect or think about life in any detail will consider and ponder these questions. There are as many different answers to these questions as there are people asking the questions. Some would hold that the purpose of life was to acquire wealth. Yet suppose they were to acquire millions of dollars, what then would they claim is their purpose after doing so?

If the purpose of life is to become wealthy, there would be no purpose after becoming wealthy.

The fact is that when people approach their purpose here in this life from the aspect of only gaining wealth, after collecting the money they have dreamed of their lives loose purpose and then they live in restless tension suffering from a feeling of worthlessness.

How could wealth then be considered as the aim of life?

Could the acquisition of wealth guarantee happiness? Of course not.
When we hear of millionaires or members of their families committing suicide, how could we consider the purpose of life would be to gain great wealth?

A child of 5 years would obviously prefer a new toy to a deposit slip for a million dollars.
A teenager does not consider millions of dollars in the bank a substitute for movies, videos, pizza and hanging out with his friends.
A person in their 80s or 90s would never consider holding on to their wealth in place of spending it to hold on to or regain their health.

This proves that money is not the main purpose at all the stages of one's life.

Wealth can do little or nothing to bring happiness to one who is a disbeliever in Almighty God, because regardless of what he or she would gain in this life they would always live in fear of what will happen to them in the end. They would wonder what would become of them and how they would end up.

Wealth and its accumulation as a purpose would be doomed to a temporary success at best and in the end it would only spell out self destruction.

So, what is the use of wealth to a person without belief? He would always fear his end and would always be skeptical of everything. He may gain a great material wealth but he would only lose himself in the end.

Worship of the One True Almighty God of the Universe [Allah in Arabic] as a primary goal or aim in life provides a believer with everything he needs to succeed in both this life and the Next Life.

The word for total surrender, submission, obedience, purity of heart and peace in the Arabic language is "Islam". Those who try to perform these actions are called "MU-slims" [Islam-ERs].

To a Muslim the whole purpose of life is "ibadah" or worship to the One True Almighty God on Terms and under His Conditions.

The term "worship" to a Muslim includes any and all acts of obedience to Almighty Allah.

So his purpose of life is a standing purpose; Worshipping Allah by ...

Why should you make decisions based on the positive?

observing - 2014-07-17 08:25
Things that are usually (not always, but USUALLY) connected to 'positive' are compassion, joy, love, hope and freedom.

Is there any logical way to explain why people should seek to do the 'positive'? It does not matter what you think is positive and what is not. It is the striving itself that I am concerning.

How should you make decisions?

observing - 2014-07-17 06:30
Attempting to be exact, my question is

Why would one way of making decisions be chosen instead of another way of making decisions?

Instead of a singe long post, I would prefer making follow-up posts.

(edit)

Actually, it might be more enriching if I first gave my current answer to this question and see what you might think:

The better way of making decisions is the way which is doubtless. The purpose is to make decisions, so if there exists a method that includes NO doubt whatsoever, then that certain way is either the best or one of the best decision-making methods.

However, is there any method without any doubt whatsoever? It might be individual whether or not such a method exists.

A Scenario

Stuart - 2014-07-08 21:42
Having established that bending Space and stasis are either impractical or impossible, we decide to explore the Universe using androids. Thinking about this does raise one problem. We cannot program the androids for every possible scenario, nor can we remotely control them, because of the distances involved. Having made great strides in the field of artificial intelligence we decide that the androids should be AI androids. This raises another problem. The androids can't be programmed with any hard and fast rules because there is no way of knowing what they may encounter. What is needed are self-aware, truly just, androids, with free-will that can be trusted. However; they can't be programmed because they have free-will, so they can choose to “break” their program.

So what we need are truly just androids, who are truly just because they want to be truly just. We realize that the only way to accomplish this goal is to let the androids “live” first, and only select truly just androids as they appear. There is some discussion of waiting for the first truly just android to appear and making multiple copies, but in diversity lies strength. Fifty copies, faced with the same problem, would all arrive at the same solution, when other solutions may exist. To this end we create a society of self-aware androids, independent of our own. We hard-wire them with needs, emotions, senses, and drives, give them a “lifespan” (automatic reset), to prevent societal stagnation and we watch, and wait.

Now if we take this little scenario and change the players and objective a little we might just come up with this...

Immensely powerful beings wish to reproduce. They cannot just make copies of themselves, because in diversity lies strength. They cannot just create others like themselves, because their power is too great to just trust it to chance. What they need are offspring who can be trusted not to misuse immense power.

"But what to do?"
“Hmm...What we can do is let them live first, and just watch and wait.”
“Brilliant!”

BANG!!!


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